not equal, but related... even more if you're a showoff...
ndeniche 402 Posting Virtuoso Featured Poster
joshSCH 1,062 Industrious Poster Banned
now, drinking=party animal :p
sk8ndestroy14 294 Posting Virtuoso
Party Boy!
ndeniche 402 Posting Virtuoso Featured Poster
that is always given... i mean... when you say party animal, immediately you get the picture of alcohol... lol
Rashakil Fol 978 Super Senior Demiposter Team Colleague
They just passed a law in Ohio making it illegal to smoke in indoor public places. I'm glad. If you can't go one meal in a restaurant without smoking you need to start backing off of it some.
Are you so full of yourself that you think it's your place to dictate how other people live their lives?
Aia commented: I don't have any doubt that's the case. +5
joshSCH 1,062 Industrious Poster Banned
Are you so full of yourself that you think it's your place to dictate how other people live their lives?
If people's choices are hurting others then yea, it is our business, and we can tell them how to live their lives (In a way.. they can always smoke outside).
christina>you 820 Posting Sage Featured Poster
Are you so full of yourself that you think it's your place to dictate how other people live their lives?
When it endangers other lives. Of course!
Narue 5,707 Bad Cop Team Colleague
>If people's choices are hurting others then yea, it is our
>business, and we can tell them how to live their lives
>When it endangers other lives. Of course!
And naturally you're qualified to make that choice. :icon_rolleyes: Tell me, have you ever thought to ask a smoker not to smoke around you? I have, and to date nobody has ever refused to give me space or put out their cigarette when I asked politely. Most of the time they immediately put it out and don't light up again while I'm around. Smokers aren't evil people who intentionally try to hurt you, so stop trying to act righteous.
Aia commented: Asking is always nice. Forcing is "almost" always wrong. +5
christina>you 820 Posting Sage Featured Poster
And naturally you're qualified to make that choice. :icon_rolleyes: Tell me, have you ever thought to ask a smoker not to smoke around you? I have, and to date nobody has ever refused to give me space or put out their cigarette when I asked politely. Most of the time they immediately put it out and don't light up again while I'm around. Smokers aren't evil people who intentionally try to hurt you, so stop trying to act righteous.
Actually, I have and they refused. Not every situation is the same, "genius."
And we're not talking about just one person smoking, we're talking about smoking in public places such as restaurants.
iamthwee commented: excellent point +11
joshSCH 1,062 Industrious Poster Banned
And naturally you're qualified to make that choice. :icon_rolleyes: Tell me, have you ever thought to ask a smoker not to smoke around you? I have, and to date nobody has ever refused to give me space or put out their cigarette when I asked politely. Most of the time they immediately put it out and don't light up again while I'm around. Smokers aren't evil people who intentionally try to hurt you, so stop trying to act righteous.
Hmm.. you're taking it a bit out of context there.. Just b/c everyone you have asked to stop smoking has, doesn't mean that everyone will.. What kind of logic is that? :-/
And anyway, I know they don't do it on purpose.. it's an addiction, and they can't help it.. they like it.. And people have rights in this country. However, once someone's rights infringe upon another's then what happens? Smoking in public places like restaurants is dangerous. Non-smokers don't want to get emphysema.. We don't want to die b/c someone chose to light up. Making smoking illegal in restaurants is the right thing to do..
ndeniche 402 Posting Virtuoso Featured Poster
And naturally you're qualified to make that choice. :icon_rolleyes: Tell me, have you ever thought to ask a smoker not to smoke around you? I have, and to date nobody has ever refused to give me space or put out their cigarette when I asked politely. Most of the time they immediately put it out and don't light up again while I'm around. Smokers aren't evil people who intentionally try to hurt you, so stop trying to act righteous.
thank you very much... i though you would never defend me in any way... :D
and actually, no... we don't mind putting outour cigars when we re making other people uncomfortable... i even make sure to keep my distance to other people that are not smoking when it is possible...
i would say that i wouldn't care if they made it illegal to smoke in restaurants, but that's far from happening here...:P
Narue 5,707 Bad Cop Team Colleague
>Actually, I have and they refused. Not every situation is the same, "genius."
Yet you want to apply the same extreme solution (ie. I'm God and can tell everyone what to do) to every situation. Brilliant.
>And we're not talking about just one person smoking, we're
>talking about smoking in public places such as restaurants.
I don't recall being forced to go to public places. Do you really choose to hang out in places where people smoke when you clearly don't like it?
christina>you 820 Posting Sage Featured Poster
>Actually, I have and they refused. Not every situation is the same, "genius."
Yet you want to apply the same extreme solution (ie. I'm God and can tell everyone what to do) to every situation. Brilliant.
Haha. You're really going to try and use that against me? It didn't even make sense to our discussion. Have you even read this thread?
>And we're not talking about just one person smoking, we're
>talking about smoking in public places such as restaurants.
I don't recall being forced to go to public places. Do you really choose to hang out in places where people smoke when you clearly don't like it?
...And you're the one talking about rights? =/
Narue 5,707 Bad Cop Team Colleague
I hate having to double post, but I forgot to reply to you Josh.
>What kind of logic is that?
Statistical logic. If, given a significant random sample of smokers, all of them were kind enough to consider my feelings, it's safe to assume that the majority of all smokers will as well.
>Making smoking illegal in restaurants is the right thing to do..
You missed a few steps in your logic there. You don't want to die, so making smoking illegal in restaurants is the right thing to do...
joshSCH 1,062 Industrious Poster Banned
Aw.. you didn't reply to my post.. :-/
>I don't recall being forced to go to public places. Do you really choose to hang out in places where people smoke when you clearly don't like it?
haha.. you're funny. So, basically you're saying that we should just not go to places where smoking inside is legal.. Oh, okay. So, if we want to go to our favorite restaurant, or shop at the mall, or go get some ice cream, etc. then too bad for us? Hell, no.. We should NOT be punished simply b/c others choose to smoke. Why should we be forced out of establishments simply b/c others choose to smoke??
Narue 5,707 Bad Cop Team Colleague
>Have you even read this thread?
Yes. To summarize, Dave wanted to start conversation and a bunch of non-smokers banded together for four pages of intellectual masturbation.
>...And you're the one talking about rights? =/
I am? Where?
Dave Sinkula commented: The beer nearly went up my nose! +13
christina>you 820 Posting Sage Featured Poster
>I don't recall being forced to go to public places. Do you really choose to hang out in places where people smoke when you clearly don't like it?haha.. you're funny. So, basically you're saying that we should just not go to places where smoking inside is legal.. Oh, okay. So, if we want to go to our favorite restaurant, or shop at the mall, or go get some ice cream, etc. then too bad for us? Hell, no.. We should NOT be punished simply b/c others choose to smoke. Why should we be forced out of establishments simply b/c others choose to smoke??
EXACTLY.
iamthwee
Aw.. you didn't reply to my post.. :-/
>I don't recall being forced to go to public places. Do you really choose to hang out in places where people smoke when you clearly don't like it?
haha.. you're funny. So, basically you're saying that we should just not go to places where smoking inside is legal.. Oh, okay. So, if we want to go to our favorite restaurant, or shop at the mall, or go get some ice cream, etc. then too bad for us? Hell, no.. We should NOT be punished simply b/c others choose to smoke. Why should we be forced out of establishments simply b/c others choose to smoke??
I agree with josh.
sk8ndestroy14 commented: Finally some logic +6
joshSCH 1,062 Industrious Poster Banned
Statistical logic. If, given a significant random sample of smokers, all of them were kind enough to consider my feelings, it's safe to assume that the majority of all smokers will as well.
Okay, fine. Wheres the evidence that suggests the majority of smokers will stop b/c someone asks them to? Besides, smoke lingers in public facilities.. Just b/c they stop doesn't mean the smoke is no longer affecting you...
>Making smoking illegal in restaurants is the right thing to do..
You missed a few steps in your logic there. You don't want to die, so making smoking illegal in restaurants is the right thing to do...
Fine, here you go:
Smoking has been proven to cause cancer and even death to those who choose to smoke.
Second hand smoke can also cause cancer and death to those who DO NOT smoke.
People smoke in public facilities
Smoke does not just evaporate out of thin air, and there is no air tight barrier between smoking and non-smoking sections of an establishment, and therefore the smoke will remain in the building long after the smoker has stopped smoking.
I enjoy public facilities just as much as everyone else..
This puts me in a place with smokers.. which consequently puts me in danger of serious health problems; therefore, smoking should not be allowed in public facilities.
christina>you commented: Exactly. I don't think I've ever agreed with you more. :) +18
christina>you 820 Posting Sage Featured Poster
>Have you even read this thread?
Yes. To summarize, Dave wanted to start conversation and a bunch of non-smokers banded together for four pages of intellectual masturbation.
I guess that's your way of looking at it.
>...And you're the one talking about rights? =/
I am? Where?
Wow.
You're defending the right for smokers to smoke in public places where it puts other lives at risk. Duh?
ndeniche 402 Posting Virtuoso Featured Poster
hahaha... i like it when Narue adds some fire to discussions...
Narue 5,707 Bad Cop Team Colleague
>Wheres the evidence that suggests the majority
>of smokers will stop b/c someone asks them to?
Um, I just gave it.
>Fine, here you go:
I suppose I'll accept that as a workable argument. Now, if you had done it in the first place, there wouldn't have been an issue. ;)
>I guess that's your way of looking at it.
No, I said something I don't really believe because I wanted to confuse you. :icon_rolleyes:
>You're defending the right for smokers to smoke in
>public places where it puts other lives at risk. Duh?
I'm not defending anyone. I'm all for making smoking illegal in indoor public places. What I'm doing is attacking your high and mighty attitude. :)
Narue 5,707 Bad Cop Team Colleague
>hahaha... i like it when Narue adds some fire to discussions...
If I don't do it, who will? This place would be a snorefest without me around.
ndeniche 402 Posting Virtuoso Featured Poster
that's the spirit...
i think everyone here agrees smoking indoors should be illegal right?
joshSCH 1,062 Industrious Poster Banned
>Wheres the evidence that suggests the majority
>of smokers will stop b/c someone asks them to?
Um, I just gave it.
I would hardly call that evidence.. perhaps the smokers where you live are nice, but the ones here in texas are rude.. The evidence needs to be documented and places from all over the USA tested.. or else it isn't valid statistical data..
>Fine, here you go:
I suppose I'll accept that as a workable argument. Now, if you had done it in the first place, there wouldn't have been an issue. ;)
hah.. Well, I'm a bit lazy.. and I assumed that everyone knew the argument..
>You're defending the right for smokers to smoke in
>public places where it puts other lives at risk. Duh?
I'm not defending anyone. I'm all for making smoking illegal in indoor public places. What I'm doing is attacking your high and mighty attitude. :)
lol.. well, I'd say that you have failed miserably ;)
Narue 5,707 Bad Cop Team Colleague
>I would hardly call that evidence..
In a thread like this, it's about as good as you're going to get.
>lol.. well, I'd say that you have failed miserably
I wouldn't. But then again, you have no idea what my goals are.
Ezzaral 2,714 Posting Sage Team Colleague Featured Poster
I would hardly call that evidence.. perhaps the smokers where you live are nice, but the ones here in texas are rude.. The evidence needs to be documented and places from all over the USA tested.. or else it isn't valid statistical data..
So you have performed statistical research on the rudeness of Texas smokers then, right? I mean, without that documented evidence, some might think it was merely anecdotal... :wink:
joshproducts 0 Newbie Poster
I'm very glad that they have passed it here in AZ as well. There is nothing wrong with smoking just don't do it around me. I am not a smoker so this is a good thing.
Duki 552 Nearly a Posting Virtuoso
i didn't really read this thread all the way through... but has anyone mentioned the fact that the FDA doesn't require the Nutrition Facts section on cigarettes but does on every other sort of consumable? why?
Duki 552 Nearly a Posting Virtuoso
Is smoking really that good? I mean... if you had a contract that said:
Live for 80 years with healthy lungs but you can't smoke
or
Live for 75 years with possible cancerous lungs but you can smoke
would you honestly choose the later? just curious..
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