Re: It's Time for the RIAA to Join the 21st Century Community Center by seawrx … finally loosening up a little to MP3s--what did the RIAA stooge complain about, a "2005 p2p attitude"? Well… a CD disabled the copy protection. And when has the RIAA come to our aid? Well, certainly not when record industry… customers or in any way interfering with Web access. The RIAA has been abusively doing things wrong for so long now… It's Time for the RIAA to Join the 21st Century Community Center by Techwriter10 … come to drag the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) kicking and screaming into the 21st century because it … lot to learn about marketing on the internet. The RIAA had a [URL="http://www.informationweek.com/news…B]Courts or Corporations?[/B] Now we have the latest RIAA internet strategy, and the new approach is more troubling … Re: It's Time for the RIAA to Join the 21st Century Community Center by seawrx …I appreciate that paper research material might better suit the RIAA approach, but I don't have such a library …handy. For example, search using "riaa suit" gave me the following first hit. [url]…http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080313-andersen-attorney-on-riaa-suit-they-cant-run-now.html[/url] Secondly, about… Re: It's Time for the RIAA to Join the 21st Century Community Center by Techwriter10 … there are many better ways to handle this than the RIAA has done over the years. By taking steps such as… stealing is a small part of it, and what the RIAA suggested on Friday, could cast a wide net over legitimate… the internet. I'll be happy when I hear the RIAA is encouraging memberst to to sell songs and merchandise in… Re: It's Time for the RIAA to Join the 21st Century Community Center by Tonsotunez …'m a songwriter ... Songwriters are not associated with the RIAA. The RIAA is a trade association that represents record companies. Record companies… Re: It's Time for the RIAA to Join the 21st Century Community Center by seawrx … boots?). Nevertheless, this thread is about RIAA, right? I've offered my perceptions on the RIAA to counter your defense of them… Re: It's Time for the RIAA to Join the 21st Century Community Center by Tonsotunez …'t paying us ... we're suing them As for the RIAA's "Stunts" you have to keep a few… Re: It's Time for the RIAA to Join the 21st Century Community Center by Techwriter10 Thanks for the great post, Seawrx. You point out a lot of the other issues, beyond the lack of understanding of the internet, that the average consumer has with RIAA techniques. Thanks again for your post. Re: It's Time for the RIAA to Join the 21st Century Community Center by Techwriter10 … them into customers just alienates everyone. Whether you are an RIAA spokesperson or just someone who spends his days defending them… Re: It's Time for the RIAA to Join the 21st Century Community Center by Tonsotunez Never defended the RIAA. I only defended the creator's rights to get paid. Re: It's Time for the RIAA to Join the 21st Century Community Center by Techwriter10 I don't think anything I've written suggests I don't support a song writer's right to be paid. On the contrary, I think you should be paid whatever your talent supports, but the RIAA's tactics are not helping you if that's what you think. An RIAA Nightmare: Free (and legal) Music Sources on the Internet Community Center by Techwriter10 Even though RIAA executives will probably spit out their coffee if they happen … else, you can feel good about sticking it to the RIAA and there isn’t a thing it can do about… Re: It's Time for the RIAA to Join the 21st Century Community Center by Tonsotunez Your statement, "The recording industry formed ASCAP and BMI to help protect artist copyrights..." is not true ... the recording industry did not form ASCAP or BMI. ASCAP and BMI have nothing to do with the welfare of recording artists. The members of ASCAP and BMI are songwriters and music publishers ... most of whom are NOT recording … Re: It's Time for the RIAA to Join the 21st Century Community Center by Techwriter10 I'll defer to you on copyright law when it comes to who owns what, but when it comes to those videos on YouTube, this is exactly the kind of backward thinking I'm talking about. Sure, those videos technically are a violation of copyright law, but if you look it at that way, you completely miss the entire concept of viral marketing. No you aren't… Re: It's Time for the RIAA to Join the 21st Century Community Center by Techwriter10 One other quick point, Google has actually only experimented with using ads on YouTube to this point. So while Google has invested more than a billion dollars buying YouTube, they are not making big bucks displaying ads along side the video. See this post for more info: [url]http://tomokeefe.com/2008/06/04/monetizing-youtube/[/url] Re: It's Time for the RIAA to Join the 21st Century Community Center by Tonsotunez You say the music industry doesn't grasp the 'new business paradigm' and that "it's time to take bold moves" ... you sound a little stuck in 2005 P2P rhetoric ... The industry is experimenting with all sorts of new business models and have made many bold moves ... They are embracing new technologies as they come along and are … Re: It's Time for the RIAA to Join the 21st Century Community Center by Tonsotunez You say the music industry doesn't grasp the 'new business paradigm' and that "it's time to take bold moves" ... you sound a little stuck in 2005 P2P rhetoric ... The industry is experimenting with all sorts of new business models and have made many bold moves ... They are embracing new technologies as they come along and are … Re: It's Time for the RIAA to Join the 21st Century Community Center by Techwriter10 First of all this has nothing to do with P2P. P2P is a delivery mechanism and nothing more. It works well for delivering large files over the internet less expensively than using Content Delivery Network (CDNs). P2P has been used by illegal file sharers, but it's also a legitimate business tool used by many media companies today to deliver their … Re: It's Time for the RIAA to Join the 21st Century Community Center by Tonsotunez The proof is in the pudding (to use an old cliche) - a majority of the artists at the top of every internet chart that measures popularity are those involved in one way of the other with the organized entertainment industry ... They get the concepts the bloggers you suggest are talking about ... more importantly, they get the concepts your blogger … Re: It's Time for the RIAA to Join the 21st Century Community Center by Tonsotunez Never made a comment about my taste in music ... It would be as irrelevant as yours. Market forces (ie kids) usually dictate what is currently popular. Throughout history those of us who aren't kids usually don't like what's popular ... Kids enjoy outraging us regarding their choice of music - it's their first taste of freedom. Re: It's Time for the RIAA to Join the 21st Century Community Center by Tonsotunez Techwriter10: "The internet is not your enemy. Embrace it and watch your career take off." Define "take off." Examples, please ... Don't include artists previously branded by the entertainment industry (Radiohead Grateful Dead) or new artists who have sold out to the entertainment industry Re: It's Time for the RIAA to Join the 21st Century Community Center by Techwriter10 We're going around in circles here, but just scroll down and check out the web sites I recommended earlier. It applies to musicians and anyone else. Do some research. I believe in these techniques. Re: It's Time for the RIAA to Join the 21st Century Community Center by Tonsotunez It's been fun, Ron ... see you around. Re: It's Time for the RIAA to Join the 21st Century Community Center by Techwriter10 Thanks, I enjoyed the debate too. One last thing: If you can, listen to Lawrence Lessig discussing his new book Remix on Fresh Air. He discusses and articulates a lot of things I've been talking about from a copyright, rather than a marketing perspective, which I suspect will interest you. One point he makes is that there are more musicians now … Re: An RIAA Nightmare: Free (and legal) Music Sources on the Internet Community Center by jbennet ".70 British pounds" Thats 70p (pence) btw Pandora is illegal in the EU :( it filters our IPs too Re: An RIAA Nightmare: Free (and legal) Music Sources on the Internet Community Center by Techwriter10 Sorry for the cultural insensitivity. :) I find it surprising that Pandora is blocked in the UK. Whatever for? It is truly a great tool and doesn't infringe on copyrights because it is considered nothing more than a radio station. Re: An RIAA Nightmare: Free (and legal) Music Sources on the Internet Community Center by jwenting it infringes on copyrights because it doesn't pay royalties. In some countries radio stations may not have to pay royalties, in the EU they rightfully do. Re: An RIAA Nightmare: Free (and legal) Music Sources on the Internet Community Center by Techwriter10 Well, that's open to a big debate. They aren't selling the song or making profit from it. They are only promoting it and offering to sell it if you want to buy it. You can't actually download it. It sounds like a win-win situation to me. I personally think it's time to move beyond 20th century notions of content ownership and make the rules fit the… Re: An RIAA Nightmare: Free (and legal) Music Sources on the Internet Community Center by scru For once I agree with techwriter. Why should a radio station pay somebody for promoting a song for them? THEY should pay the radio stations; that's the only way they can justify the constant complaints about not getting enough air-play. Re: An RIAA Nightmare: Free (and legal) Music Sources on the Internet Community Center by Techwriter10 For once? Do you usually disagree with me scru? :)