Which one is better? Windows 7 or Windows XP comparing the following:
1. cost
2. resources needed
3. speed
4. reliability
hapizi84 0 Newbie Poster
Bob_180_Bob 41 Posting Virtuoso
Hi,
I can only supply my personal feelings here, I hope that is what you are after.
1. Xp is cheaper.
2. There are fewer resources available now for 7 but that will change.
3. I think they are about equal, in most areas, and each is faster in some areas.
4. XP has been reliably breaking down for years, give 7 a go and it may be better or worse.
In summery, I am staying with XP as my every day OS, but I am trying to keep 7 up to date and play with it every now and again.
jbennet 1,618 Most Valuable Poster Team Colleague Featured Poster
Well XP wont be supported for much longer.
Secondly, its hardware support SUCKS. No native IPV6, No native Wifi, No native SATA.
Would not recommend for new builds. Its just too old now.
caperjack 875 I hate 20 Questions Team Colleague
win7 all the way, no if's and's or but's
Ancient Dragon 5,243 Achieved Level 70 Team Colleague Featured Poster
Many games that run on XP will not run on Win7. So if you are a big gammer and like the games you are playing, then stick with XP.
Portgas D. Ace commented: Incorrect bro. -1
debasisdas commented: agree +13
kaninelupus 275 Practically a Posting Shark
Many games that run on XP will not run on Win7. So if you are a big gammer and like the games you are playing, then stick with XP.
That's just the nature of game-development cycles though - two-to-three yrs max usually. Games which were developed not long before Vista hit the ground should be OK in Win7. If seriously attached to an XP-only game, look to see if your CPU s'ports XP Mode. If so, installing a higher SKU of Win7 will allow extending the life of those games for now.
jbennet 1,618 Most Valuable Poster Team Colleague Featured Poster
Many games that run on XP will not run on Win7. So if you are a big gammer and like the games you are playing, then stick with XP.
Soon most games wont run on XP due to it not having DX10. Current gen games tend to look nicer on vista due to them being able to take advantage of this.
If seriously attached to an XP-only game, look to see if your CPU s'ports XP Mode
Noooooooooooo. XP mode is horrific for games. Really poor performance because it doesnt do 3d acceleration, instead using a truly terrible emulated video card.
kaninelupus 275 Practically a Posting Shark
Noooooooooooo. XP mode is horrific for games. Really poor performance because it doesnt do 3d acceleration, instead using a truly terrible emulated video card.
Very true, but most games which have never moved beyond XP are not what you would call GPU intensive (a few exceptions I know, such as Oblivion). In most cases, even the emulated GPU in XP Mode is sufficient for those (let's call them what they are... ) legacy games.
If really attached to an XP-only game - which is truely GPU-intensive - take the dual-boot option. Win7 is by far superior to both XP and Vista, so use for every-day use, and keep the second install for those heavy-duty games not suitable for XP Mode.
jbennet 1,618 Most Valuable Poster Team Colleague Featured Poster
If really attached to an XP-only game - which is truely GPU-intensive - take the dual-boot option
Yes but most people will buy an upgrade licence for Win7 and so not be able to do that.
caperjack 875 I hate 20 Questions Team Colleague
most people will buy an upgrade license .
not if they wanted to do a dual boot with winxp
kaninelupus 275 Practically a Posting Shark
My understanding of the "Upgrade" licensing was that one didn't have to actually take the upgrade install option (ie, installing Win7 over the previous Windows installation), but simply that one has a legal key/serial for said Windows installation. It appears that is not the case.
That being said, if one has previously spent the money on high-end XP games and relevant hardware, it may be worth spending the extra for a full version of Win7, if not prepared to do away with said games just yet.
caperjack 875 I hate 20 Questions Team Colleague
My understanding of the "Upgrade" licensing was that one didn't have to actually take the upgrade install option (ie, installing Win7 over the previous Windows installation), but simply that one has a legal key/serial for said Windows installation. It appears that is not the case.
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you could do a full install with a vista upgrade disk,you simply ran the install and when asked to put in the key you could chose to install with out using the key, and after the install was complete ,you would put the dvd in the drive and it would auto boot an ask if you wanted to upgrade and you say yes and walla! it would run the upgrade !
i think they fixted that with win7 as it never game me the option to install with out the key !
and you can't upgrade from winxp to win7 ,so thats not an option anyway
jbennet 1,618 Most Valuable Poster Team Colleague Featured Poster
Yeah. If you upgrade you arent supposed to use the older OS you upgraded from at the same time. Indeed, i believe it blacklists that serial when you do so.
With vista and Win7 do actually have to upgrade with the upgrade version unless you use the trick to upgrade the trial (which is frowned upon)
Bob_180_Bob 41 Posting Virtuoso
Things have changed a lot since the introduction of XP. To upgrade from 3.1 to XP you only had to put a 3 1/2 floppy from your 3.1 installation floppies into the drive for XP to see that you held an earlier program. Then it would install the upgrade where ever you wanted. Now it seems if you buy a full copy of 7 you can sell your copy of XP/Vista if you want (and if someone will buy), but if you buy an upgrade version, your old OS is US.
jbennet commented: lies -4
kaninelupus commented: yet another example of misinformation +0
jbennet 1,618 Most Valuable Poster Team Colleague Featured Poster
. To upgrade from 3.1 to XP you only had to put a 3 1/2 floppy from your 3.1 installation floppies into the drive for XP to see that you held an earlier program.
No you didnt. Windows 3.1 -> XP was not a valid upgrade path.
They only supported NT4 Workstation and Windows 98 or above.
Windows 2000 on the other hand, allowed an upgrade from windows 95 or NT 3.51, but not Windows 3.1.
Now it seems if you buy a full copy of 7 you can sell your copy of XP/Vista if you want (and if someone will buy), but if you buy an upgrade version, your old OS is US.
Thats the way its always been. Your upgrade licence is only valid for as long as you adhere to licence of the product you upgraded from as well.
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/eula/home.mspx
9. UPGRADES. To use Software identified as an upgrade, you must first be licensed for the software identified by Microsoft as eligible for the upgrade. After upgrading, you may no longer use the software that formed the basis for your upgrade eligibility.
caperjack 875 I hate 20 Questions Team Colleague
With vista and Win7 do actually have to upgrade with the upgrade version unless you use the trick to upgrade the trial (which is frowned upon)
i own 2 vista ultimate upgrade disk ,legit ,bought from the microsoft ,i install both on a new hdd,no previsions OS installed .used the process i described above ! they work fine, one is on my daughters laptop and one on my wifes pc
jbennet 1,618 Most Valuable Poster Team Colleague Featured Poster
yeah i know it works fine, its just that your not technically supposed to upgrade the trial if you only have an upgrade key because its not a qualifying upgrade path.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/29/windows_7_clean_install/
Reacting to tips being served up online, Microsoft has warned that while it's technically possible to perform what's known as a "clean" install of Windows 7 on a PC, you'll be breaking the law and the Microsoft End User License Agreement (EULA), meaning you're potentially running a pirated copy of Windows.
When these posts and write-ups state that you can install clean from an Upgrade piece of software and they fail to mention that you need to own a qualifying software license to be legal to use the Upgrade software for the installation. Of the advice being posted, an apparently exasperated Ligman wrote. "Technically possible" does not always mean legal,".
Ancient Dragon 5,243 Achieved Level 70 Team Colleague Featured Poster
The "upgrade" version of Win7 that I got has two ways to install
- New install -- Insert the Win7 disk in the dvd drive, reboot the computer so that it boots from the dvd drive, then win7 will reformat the entire hard drive and installs Win7 from scratch. I'm not sure if XP or Vista is required to have already been installed or not, and I'm not willing to spend 24 hours redoing my computer to find out.
- Upgrade. Start up Vista, insert the Win7 disk, then run the setup.exe program on the disk.
jbennet 1,618 Most Valuable Poster Team Colleague Featured Poster
I'm not sure if XP or Vista is required to have already been installed or not
Yes, unless you do the whole upgrade-the-trial hack.
Bob_180_Bob 41 Posting Virtuoso
Sorry, seniors moment. Not 3.1 to XP but 3.1 to 98. too long ago I forgot about Windows 98. I am too old and senile....sorry....
jbennet 1,618 Most Valuable Poster Team Colleague Featured Poster
The exact same thing worked for XP. If you showed your 98 or ME disk to the XP installer it would run the upgrade.
zorndyke 0 Newbie Poster
i'll stick with XP as long as my pc is not dead and still support my games. Maybe 2 or 3 years later games requirement need more feature from 7, then i'll upgrade my system (and the hardware) :)
kaninelupus 275 Practically a Posting Shark
i'll stick with XP as long as my pc is not dead and still support my games. Maybe 2 or 3 years later games requirement need more feature from 7, then i'll upgrade my system (and the hardware) :)
No offence, but such comments are irrelevant, as is obvious you have zero experience with Win7... thus are in no position as to gauge which is better.
scru commented: people are entitled to opinions -1
Adamsappleone 2 Posting Whiz
Thought I'd add my 2cents worth.
I have 2 home builds running Vista Ultimate Sp2
1 laptop running Vista Home Premium.
I used my Vista Ultimate disc Upgrade option on the laptop using the laptops key, that went successfully.
Installed Vista Ultimate on both my home builds, same key (came with disc) successfully. Clean installs as the upgrade option was disabled.
My Windows 7 Home Premium Upgrade disc, installed on my 2nd build, had the option for Upgrade or Clean Install, so, using the clean installation method for both x86 and x64 and used the same key to activate both successfully. Never asked for Vista disc nor did it search for other installed OS's.
Wasn't sure any of the installs would go after all the reading of you can't do this with the upgrade disc's and you can't do that and you can only use the key to activate x86 or x64 Win7, but not both. These are all legal disc's from MS that I purchased, no hacks or anything of the sort.
I've used XP Home and Pro for years after 98SE, it was good, but had a lot of problems.
By far, Windows 7, hands down.
henryhank 0 Newbie Poster
I was using XP home and for me it became unstable, not running some of my software correctly. It was suggested that I upgrade to XP Pro 64bit because my quad core system would benefit but to buy XP pro 64 bit was going to be around $200.00. The basic Win 7 upgrade package comes with a 64 bit version which I bought for $130.00 all in.
So far I have no complaints about Win 7 other than I'm having problems getting my wireless adapter to connect to the interweb! It shows my SSID but is limited or unable to connect. Had no problems with it with XP. Any suggestions?
caperjack 875 I hate 20 Questions Team Colleague
So far I have no complaints about Win 7 other than I'm having problems getting my wireless adapter to connect to the interweb! It shows my SSID but is limited or unable to connect. Had no problems with it with XP. Any suggestions?
make sure you are using the win7 driver or at best the vista driver for the device ,go to the device manufacturer site and search for best driver
louise07 -4 Newbie Poster
I can say i grew up with Windows XP, and promised myself never to use Vista. But when windows 7 beta came out, i readily reformatted my laptop then swapped to windows 7. Because it's still beta version, there's still alot of incompatibilities with some programs. Not that stable. But I was really amazed, lighter version of vista. Good thing Retail version is available now.Many companies still stick to Windows XP. W7 is really good,just that it is not that stable yet,unlike windows XP.
kaninelupus 275 Practically a Posting Shark
(in reference to Rep comment). Yes am aware ppl are entitled to their opinion, but was not the point I was making. This is post gauging ppl's opinions/experience btwn XP & Win7. For someone to make a relevant response, one needs to have at least some experience with both - how else can you compare them??
Not saying everyone will like Win7, just as some of us never liked XP... was never my point :)
AndyRun 0 Newbie Poster
Certainly I need my favorite XP apps (a lot), which probably will NOT run at all on Windows 7 (there are of a lot of incompatibilities between XP and 7). In any case, Windows 7 "Clean install" is not for me - re-install dozens of progs from scratch?! . No, thanks.
Certainly I wish Windows 7 on my PC.
So, what to do? Double boot? It is Annoying...
I did find some solution - a product called Zinstall XP7 that simply embeds the entire old XP into the new Windows 7 (I guess some VM is here to do that). Then you use both new Windows 7 and old Windows XP at the same time.
Sounds to good to be true...
Ancient Dragon 5,243 Achieved Level 70 Team Colleague Featured Poster
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I did find some solution - a product called Zinstall XP7 that simply embeds the entire old XP into the new Windows 7 (I guess some VM is here to do that). Then you use both new Windows 7 and old Windows XP at the same time.
Sounds to good to be true...
While you're at it why not find a way to embed Ubuntu in Window7 too? Then you could have the best of all operating systems at the same time.
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