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f575gtc 31 Junior Poster

21 Years Ago

Ok, I am planning on buying a new 160GB hard drive to add to my computer which has a 40GB hard drive.
1) does a slave drive mean secondary drive?
2) If I install the hard drive has a slave drive can I run programs like Word, Adobe Programs, or Games off the slave drive?
3) When install the hard drive is there something I can do by mistake that can fry my entire computer?
4) Once installed correctly is it hard to formait into NTFS?

I have a
eMachines T224
2.20GHz Intel Celeron
Windows XP Home Edition
and 256MB DDR

Please answer these questons for me and thank you

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Dani 4,329 The Queen of DaniWeb

21 Years Ago

1. A slave drive is, indeed, the second drive in your computer. Your first hard drive is your master, and your second hard drive is your slave. It's designated by the IDE cable and jumper settings on the back of the hard drive. (e.g. you'd connect the IDE cable first to the master drive, and then to the slave drive. also, you'd set the jumper cables to their slave setting). In most cases (not always), unless you're dual booting, you'll want to run your operating system off of the first partition of your master drive.

Installing a hard drive consists of:

Turning the computer off.
Mounting the hard drive in the computer's chassis (case).
Daisy-chaining the IDE ribbon cable from the old hard drive to the new hard drive.
Connecting a free power cable from the power supply into the new hard drive.
Checking the drive's manual for the correct jumper settings for a slave drive, and setting those jumper settings (manually on the back of the drive).
Turning the computer on and making sure that the BIOS correctly recognized the new drive.
Booting up into Windows and formatting the new drive from the Windows explorer.

2. You can install any program to your secondary (slave) hard drive. However, if you already have an operating system installed on the primary drive, you'll want to keep it there. If you have programs installed on the primary drive that you will want to move to the secondary drive, you'll have to uninstall them, and then reinstall them to their new location.

3. Installing a hard drive should not screw up your machine. However, if you've never done this before (or aren't an expert at it) then you should definitely back-up your important data to removable media such as a CD-R or zip drive, just in case.

4. Windows XP can format a partition as either FAT32 or NTFS. If your partition is over a certain size (I think it's 32 gig but I'm not sure) then WinXP will ONLY format as NTFS (although you can still format as FAT32 from DOS or Windows 2000). To format a new drive, simply right click on it from Windows Explorer and choose Format from the popup menu. The dialog box that pops up will notify you that it will be formatted via NTFS.

feigned 57 Posting Whiz

21 Years Ago

btw, I opened my computer to check if i could install another hardrive and I found this 2 flat grey wires one had master writen on it another had slave writen on it and there was also black, orange ,and yellow wires all connected to a white square connector is that the power? and when i get the hard drive will it tell be how to set up the slave jumpers?

Yes, all will be answered when you purchase the drive. And the flat grey cable is the IDE cable, and the one with the four wires coming out of it is the molex power connection.

And for your scale, it's about a 1 to install a hard drive, maybe a 4 (if you don't know what you're doing). It should tell you what to do in the manual that comes with the drive.

feigned 57 Posting Whiz

21 Years Ago

i just have a few more questions.
1) on a scale of 1-10 one being the easiest, 10 the hardest what do you rate installing and formating a hard drive at?
2) Will the programs run slower or take longer to access if installed on a slave drive?

Oh.

Technically, it will access things slower, since they will be on the same IDE channel. IDE doesn't read and write on a channel at the same time, let alone read/read, write/write, read/write or write/read on a channel with two drives. When you load something from the slave drive, it has to page some data to virtual memory, which is largely a file on your primary drive, and if you're paying attention, IDE cannot do two things at once, it queues up.

Anyway that's neither here nor there, and in all honesty unless you're truly worried about it, say you have some hardcore digital movie editing to do, the performance "loss" is totally negligible. It is there, but not nearly pronounced enough to make a damn bit of difference.

Dani 4,329 The Queen of DaniWeb

21 Years Ago

So in other words you're saying that adding a second drive will make both drives run an equally teeny tad slower than either would run had it been in a computer alone?

What about my scenerio. One of my machines has a RAID0 array with one drive using parallel ATA and another running off of serial ATA.

The mac I have now has 2 serial ATA drives. What's the advantage to this? (They're not using RAID but I'm probably going to set it up in the near future.)

feigned 57 Posting Whiz

21 Years Ago

So in other words you're saying that adding a second drive will make both drives run an equally teeny tad slower than either would run had it been in a computer alone?
What about my scenerio. One of my machines has a RAID0 array with one drive using parallel ATA and another running off of serial ATA.
The mac I have now has 2 serial ATA drives. What's the advantage to this? (They're not using RAID but I'm probably going to set it up in the near future.)

Well, yes and no.

If you're accessing data from the slave drive (read), and you have your page file on the primary (write), yes, you'll see some slowdown. Not enough to notice, so it's really not that big of a deal.

One PATA, and the other SATA? How do you have that set up? An SATA adaptor? I'm assuming that would be a software based RAID set. With IDE RAID, it's ideal to have the drives on seperate channels. It's how I have my main drives set up...two drives on seperate channels on the PCI IDE RAID card I have. :)

SATA drives have their own channel, so no slow down as far as read/writes go.

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f575gtc 31 Junior Poster · Answer 1 · 2003-10-12T06:47:23+00:00

i just have a few more questions.
1) on a scale of 1-10 one being the easiest, 10 the hardest what do you rate installing and formating a hard drive at?
2) Will the programs run slower or take longer to access if installed on a slave drive?

f575gtc 31 Junior Poster · Answer 2 · 2003-10-12T06:58:12+00:00

btw, I opened my computer to check if i could install another hardrive and I found this 2 flat grey wires one had master writen on it another had slave writen on it and there was also black, orange ,and yellow wires all connected to a white square connector is that the power? and when i get the hard drive will it tell be how to set up the slave jumpers?

f575gtc 31 Junior Poster · Answer 3 · 2003-10-13T01:35:05+00:00

I found a 160GB hard drive the manufacturer is Maxtor its a 7200RPM internal hard drive with a 8MB cache is that good enough to store mp3s,movies, and programs?

feigned 57 Posting Whiz · Answer 4 · 2003-10-13T01:54:22+00:00

I found a 160GB hard drive the manufacturer is Maxtor its a 7200RPM internal hard drive with a 8MB cache is that good enough to store mp3s,movies, and programs?

Those are actually nice drives. The 8MB cache will help out with speed a little bit. I'd go ahead and pick one up.

All I have is the RAID set in my machine, and when I need more space (which could take months), I'll be picking up a few large capacity drives like that.

Dani 4,329 The Queen of DaniWeb Administrator Featured Poster Premium Member · Answer 5 · 2003-10-13T02:03:07+00:00

One PATA, and the other SATA? How do you have that set up? An SATA adaptor? I'm assuming that would be a software based RAID set.

Yes, software raid. More specifically, the raid that's built into my motherboard. My motherboard comes with two IDE channels and two SATA channels, or whatever they're called. (e.g. IDE0, IDE1, SATA1 and SATA2)

IDE0 is connected to a 120gb PATA drive
IDE1 is connected to a dvd+rw which is dasiy-chained to a cd-rw (I know, this is bad)

SATA1 is connected to a SATA->PATA converter which is connected to a second 120gb PATA drive

SATA2 is free

Does that make sense? I really don't know much about this sorta stuff - just as much as I needed to know to get the thing to work.

f575gtc 31 Junior Poster · Answer 6 · 2003-10-13T03:01:58+00:00

Ultra ATA/133 interface whats that and will it make anything go faster?

TallCool1 81 Practically a Posting Shark Team Colleague · Answer 7 · 2003-10-13T08:41:10+00:00

I found a 160GB hard drive the manufacturer is Maxtor its a 7200RPM internal hard drive with a 8MB cache is that good enough to store mp3s,movies, and programs?

Yes, but make sure that the BIOS will support a 160 GB drive. Until very recently, 137 GB was the limit. Check your manufacturer's website to confirm compatibility.

f575gtc 31 Junior Poster · Answer 8 · 2003-10-13T08:50:27+00:00

My computer was made May 2003 is that good, because I dont know where to check the compatibility at the website.
Where would I find out how much it supports?
And what would happen if it only supports 137GB?
Another thing is BIOS even needed to recognize the hard drive on XP?

TallCool1 81 Practically a Posting Shark Team Colleague · Answer 9 · 2003-10-13T09:02:38+00:00

My computer was made May 2003 is that good, because I dont know where to check the compatibility at the website.
Where would I find out how much it supports?
And what would happen if it only supports 137GB?
Another thing is BIOS even needed to recognize the hard drive on XP?

There's no useful info on the eMachines site, but I got this from the Maxtor site: https://maxtor.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/maxtor.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=960

I hope this helps.

f575gtc 31 Junior Poster · Answer 10 · 2003-10-13T09:24:09+00:00

f575gtc 31 Junior Poster

21 Years Ago

eMachines T2245

feigned 57 Posting Whiz · Answer 11 · 2003-10-13T12:27:12+00:00

Yes, software raid. More specifically, the raid that's built into my motherboard. My motherboard comes with two IDE channels and two SATA channels, or whatever they're called. (e.g. IDE0, IDE1, SATA1 and SATA2)
IDE0 is connected to a 120gb PATA drive
IDE1 is connected to a dvd+rw which is dasiy-chained to a cd-rw (I know, this is bad)
SATA1 is connected to a SATA->PATA converter which is connected to a second 120gb PATA drive
SATA2 is free
Does that make sense? I really don't know much about this sorta stuff - just as much as I needed to know to get the thing to work.

Not to bash by any means, but that's just...odd. Mirror or Stripe? And it would be a hardware RAID if you're controlling things via the RAID BIOS on your motherboard.

To be honest, I've never heard of a split PATA/SATA RAID set, 0 or 1. 1 I could see, but not 0.

Makes perfect sense, just not the usual.

f575gtc 31 Junior Poster · Answer 12 · 2003-10-13T21:13:29+00:00

Can someone tell me if the eMachines T2245 will support a 160GB hard drive.
Im leaving in about 1/2 hour to get a hard drive

TallCool1 81 Practically a Posting Shark Team Colleague · Answer 13 · 2003-10-13T22:53:06+00:00

I answered that question already--in detail--in an earlier post. Check it out (end of page 1).

jjorgensen626 30 Junior Poster in Training · Answer 14 · 2003-10-14T00:28:02+00:00

Not to bash by any means, but that's just...odd. Mirror or Stripe? And it would be a hardware RAID if you're controlling things via the RAID BIOS on your motherboard.
To be honest, I've never heard of a split PATA/SATA RAID set, 0 or 1. 1 I could see, but not 0.
Makes perfect sense, just not the usual.

I'm sure she said RAID 0 on the last page.

Also the SiS 180 chipset supports pata/sata mix RAID 0,1,0+1. Dunno if this is what she has but....

Just a suggestion for cscgal, if you have the time:

You could get another sata-pata converter ($20) for the current primary HDD, and RAID 0 on sata. Then you could undo your:

"IDE1 is connected to a dvd+rw which is dasiy-chained to a cd-rw (I know, this is bad)"

of course you would have to reinstall the OS, but bigggg deal.

DFWDRUMMER 0 Newbie Poster · Answer 15 · 2004-11-23T07:02:50+00:00

maybe you can help me out... I accidentally formatted my hard drive on my pc. It is now completley blank, as if I just purchased a brand new hard drive... What my question is for you, how could I install an operating system back on the hard drive? The only thing I can think of is hooking the hard drive up to this computer, and booting up in dos...? and trying to see if that works... can you please help me...

jifiii 0 Light Poster · Answer 16 · 2004-11-23T07:19:43+00:00

If the bios only supports a 137GB HD, then what you can do is partition the HD with one partition as 137GB and the other partition as a 23GB partition. Only do this if your BIOS only supports up to 137GB, otherwise just use one partition.

dlh6213 27 Posting Maven Team Colleague · Answer 17 · 2004-11-23T16:05:25+00:00

maybe you can help me out... I accidentally formatted my hard drive on my pc. It is now completley blank, as if I just purchased a brand new hard drive... What my question is for you, how could I install an operating system back on the hard drive? The only thing I can think of is hooking the hard drive up to this computer, and booting up in dos...? and trying to see if that works... can you please help me...

DFWDRUMMER, you should start a new thread. What OS do you want to install? For XP, see this thread:
http://www.daniweb.com/techtalkforums/thread6632.html

frrossk 2 Posting Whiz in Training · Answer 18 · 2004-11-24T22:38:29+00:00

If the bios only supports a 137GB HD, then what you can do is partition the HD with one partition as 137GB and the other partition as a 23GB partition. Only do this if your BIOS only supports up to 137GB, otherwise just use one partition.

Not right... If your bios sees only 137 G, this is how much you will be able to partition; but, since your motherboard supports a 2,2 GHz Celeron, I think the bios supports HDDs bigger than 160 Gigs ;)
And, if not, you should seek a bios update...