Is there any way to pack framework in application,if yes how :?:
boki 0 Newbie Poster
Toulinwoek 0 Posting Whiz in Training
A program called Setup Factory does the same thing, but in my opinion, with a bit more elegance than QSetup. QSetup also has different versions, and all of them don't support this feature, whereas Setup Factory has only one version . I'd suggest trying both of them out. However, Setup Factory costs about $100 more, but can be customized more, so that would have to be considered.
BTW, at this time, Setup Factory, which uses plugins for this function, doesn't have a plugin for .NET framework 2.0. But since the filename (dotnetfx.exe) is the same for version 1.1 or 2.0, it might not be a problem. I can't imagine that a plugin won't be available very soon, though.
boki 0 Newbie Poster
Thx im gonna check it out :cheesy: :cheesy:
boki 0 Newbie Poster
Can i perform that with Inno setup :?: :?:
tayspen 28 <Insert title here> Team Colleague
Honestyly i have used inno setup but not for long. so i am unaware of some of its functions. Perhaps someone with more knowledge can give you a better answer :cheesy:
Toulinwoek 0 Posting Whiz in Training
I'm not too sure either. What little I have done with Inno proves to involve too much scripting. This might allow finer control (or maybe not, I don't know), but in the end, I just want to build an installer. The more that process can be automated the better, to me anyway.
Toulinwoek 0 Posting Whiz in Training
uhh
vs.net has a build in installer wizard. have you tried this yet?
file>new>project>setup and deployment projects>setup wizard
it cant be any easier
That feature does not exist in all versions. For example, the Express Edition doesn't have it. It has a publish feature, but that doesn't have the flexibility of those programs mentioned. Of course, if one is willing to sacrifice features to save cost (some of these setup builders are expensive), one might go ahead with what's provided in the IDE.
tayspen 28 <Insert title here> Team Colleague
That feature does not exist in all versions. For example, the Express Edition doesn't have it. It has a publish feature, but that doesn't have the flexibility of those programs mentioned. Of course, if one is willing to sacrifice features to save cost (some of these setup builders are expensive), one might go ahead with what's provided in the IDE.
True, i have teh beta version of C# 205 and it does not have it. That is why i use Qsetup.
boki 0 Newbie Poster
In QSetup the instructions are to put dotnetfx (read tutorial for more info),but i have only 2.0 SDK so they will have to download the rest of setup....its the same thing if i told them to download it from MSDN....
Toulinwoek 0 Posting Whiz in Training
I think you would not want to force your user to have to download the framework separately. You can just package the .NET framework redistributable with your setup.
The only potential problem I see is whether QSetup is yet able to check for .NET 2.0 (it can check for 1.1).
This is where I think Setup Factory has an advantage over QSetup; enabling dependencies like this (.NET, MDAC, Jet, etc) is accomplished by using plugins. I would think someone would write a .NET 2.0 plugin quicker than Pantary would release an updated version of QSetup. Of course, I could be wrong, plus Setup Factory is $100 more expensive than QSetup!
plazmo 1 Posting Whiz in Training
I think you would not want to force your user to have to download the framework separately. You can just package the .NET framework redistributable with your setup.
The only potential problem I see is whether QSetup is yet able to check for .NET 2.0 (it can check for 1.1).
This is where I think Setup Factory has an advantage over QSetup; enabling dependencies like this (.NET, MDAC, Jet, etc) is accomplished by using plugins. I would think someone would write a .NET 2.0 plugin quicker than Pantary would release an updated version of QSetup. Of course, I could be wrong, plus Setup Factory is $100 more expensive than QSetup!
one thing i would also suggest is only program in 1.1 till 2.0 is fully supported. i think you can change c# express to only work with 1.1
boki 0 Newbie Poster
I dont need it i usually prefer to create applications in 1.1 :rolleyes:
boki 0 Newbie Poster
Hmm would it be legal to burn framework on cd?
plazmo 1 Posting Whiz in Training
Hmm would it be legal to burn framework on cd?
no, the framework is free
Toulinwoek 0 Posting Whiz in Training
Isn't the .NET 2.0 framework being released along with the rest of VS2005? If so, we're looking at just about 2 months. I haven't found a way to allow C# Express to use 1.1, but then I haven't really looked for it. The system requirement said it had to have 2.0 so I just went with it. I don't think I'd go back if I could anyway, since I'm so new to all this; I wouldn't want to suddenly find some of my favorite classes gone or different.
And yes, it is legal to put the framework on CD. It might provide some convenience to your users (keep them from having to do the download).
tgreer 189 Made Her Cry Team Colleague
Just because the .NET Framework is "free", doesn't necessarily mean it's legal for you to distribute it. You need to research the issues by going to the Microsoft website. This is excerpted from a page on MSDN:
Note If you choose to use the Dotnetfx.exe or redistribute it with an application created by you, you must have a validly licensed copy of the Microsoft .NET Framework SDK (or Visual Studio .NET) and any use or distribution of Dotnetfx.exe is subject to the terms of the end user license agreement you received with the Microsoft .NET Framework SDK (or Visual Studio .NET). If you do not have a validly licensed copy of the Microsoft .NET Framework SDK (or Visual Studio .NET), you are not authorized to use or distribute Dotnetfx.exe.
boki 0 Newbie Poster
ok thank you for help...im dissapointed:rolleyes::rolleyes:
tayspen 28 <Insert title here> Team Colleague
boki check PM
boki 0 Newbie Poster
Isn't the .NET 2.0 framework being released along with the rest of VS2005? If so, we're looking at just about 2 months. I haven't found a way to allow C# Express to use 1.1, but then I haven't really looked for it. The system requirement said it had to have 2.0 so I just went with it. I don't think I'd go back if I could anyway, since I'm so new to all this; I wouldn't want to suddenly find some of my favorite classes gone or different.
And yes, it is legal to put the framework on CD. It might provide some convenience to your users (keep them from having to do the download).
Are you sure cause i dont what to go to court,or jail :rolleyes::rolleyes:
evry ppl i know have 56k except me...lol..
plazmo 1 Posting Whiz in Training
Are you sure cause i dont what to go to court,or jail :rolleyes::rolleyes:
evry ppl i know have 56k except me...lol..
just do it, no one is going to arrest you :rolleyes:
boki 0 Newbie Poster
the projec i made will fall into many ppl hands so i dont want to have troubles,but what a heck...
Toulinwoek 0 Posting Whiz in Training
TGreer,
I'm aware of the license requirements. My post about distributing .NET is based on the assumption that a person developing programs using Microsoft developer tools has a valid, licensed copy of the development tool.
Since this forum does not support nor encourage any unauthorized, illegal or "underground" obtaining or use of commercial software, I will always make that assumption; those who don't have valid licenses act at their own risk.
tayspen 28 <Insert title here> Team Colleague
So have we discovered any programs that can bundle the framework in the setup.(freeware or demo verson)
Toulinwoek 0 Posting Whiz in Training
So have we discovered any programs that can bundle the framework in the setup.(freeware or demo verson)
Yeah, and naw.
I don't know of any freeware, but Setup Factory and QSetup can both do it. Setup Factory does it a bit more elegantly, but it takes a plugin, and I haven't checked lately to see if one is available for 2.0 (there is one for 1.1)
QSetup will do it through what they call the 'execute' feature. However, I don't think it is yet capable of checking for the correct version either.
So, technically, it's possible, but I don't know if full 2.0 recognition/support is a reality just yet.
tayspen 28 <Insert title here> Team Colleague
one thing i would also suggest is only program in 1.1 till 2.0 is fully supported. i think you can change c# express to only work with 1.1
whoa you can do this so that 2.0 beta is not required to run the proggie!!! how i would like to know
tayspen 28 <Insert title here> Team Colleague
Yeah, and naw.
I don't know of any freeware, but Setup Factory and QSetup can both do it. Setup Factory does it a bit more elegantly, but it takes a plugin, and I haven't checked lately to see if one is available for 2.0 (there is one for 1.1)
QSetup will do it through what they call the 'execute' feature. However, I don't think it is yet capable of checking for the correct version either.
So, technically, it's possible, but I don't know if full 2.0 recognition/support is a reality just yet.
Yea i tried with 2.0 no it doest reconize it..:(
Toulinwoek 0 Posting Whiz in Training
OK, according to Microsoft, it is not possible to cause C# Express to work with .NET 1.1
I don't mind, but I sure hope I can find a setup program that will deal with 2.0 by the time I'm ready to distribute my app!
tayspen 28 <Insert title here> Team Colleague
ok According to them...but how. this would be great...:)
-T
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