kc0arf 68 Posting Virtuoso Team Colleague

Wowsers! Cannot use a VM to accomplish this.

The following I haven't tried, but is the approach I would take:

Format the drive completely empty. Install each Linux to it's own partition, and keep track of which one was done first. I would do Ubuntu first, then OpenSUSE, and then Fedora. Make sure you do an advanced install, or at least have the option to customize your hard drive layout. Each one would only need to be say 20 GB in size... Have the Fedora partition write to the master boot record.

Once everything is installed, you should be able to either run a rescue / repair disk, or boot knoppix, and edit the /boot/grub/grub.conf and define each bootable partition. Make some meaningful descriptions. You will need to do this if you
install Windoze last, as it will clobber anything that grub setup.

Next, you need to edit your grub.conf file to ensure each partition is properly listed. Note the root (hd0,1) area... that is hard disk 0, partition 1. You will need an entry for each linux version (hd0,1) (0,2) (0,3) but properly aligned.

My /boot/grub/grub.conf has these lines:

title Fedora (version)
root (hd0,1)
kernel <bunch of stuff>

title Looze XP
rootnoverify (hd0,0)
chainloader +1

kc0arf 68 Posting Virtuoso Team Colleague

You may wish to give VirtualBox a spin. It is freeware from Sun, and you can install using .iso or real physical disks.

I agree that VMWARE should be able to do this, but perhaps VirtualBox may give you the desired result without the headache.

kc0arf 68 Posting Virtuoso Team Colleague

This is one of many fundamental reasons why it is a bad idea to use the Administrator account as a daily user account. Imagine having to delete it, or cleanup something like this.

I ran across such a case a couple months ago, and it was a headache converting from Administrator to a user with administrative privs.

kc0arf 68 Posting Virtuoso Team Colleague

You may need to use a command line operation to disable DHCP on the Juniper network router. Some of the CISCO products also require usernames and passwords to get to an administrative level to make a change.

You will need to clobber one of the DHCP servers, otherwise the scopes could clash and cause problems.

kc0arf 68 Posting Virtuoso Team Colleague

Does your assignment require you to physically install three operating systems, or can you prepare 3 Virtual Machines, and call it done?

You may wish to check with your professor, but in my opinion, you would best off picking a base operating system, in your case unfortunately Windows 7, and from there, install a virtual machine program (Virtualbox is free) and from there, setup three virtual machines.

Choosing Ubuntu, Fedora, and OpenSuse will expose you to the three major distributions... Debian style (apt-get), Fedora-Redhat style (yum), and OpenSuse (yast).

You might even be able to earn bonus points if you have enough RAM, and run all three operating systems at the same time. If you create a shared folder, you might be able to have all three see a sharepoint, and exchange files among themselves.

kc0arf 68 Posting Virtuoso Team Colleague

Hello,

I think he is referring to the Daystar (or comparable) accelerator card that could be installed inside of a PMac 7100.

The original 7100 was a 66 MHz PPC 601, not a G3 processor. If anything, you could have called it a G1.

The family went from 601 (the first) to a 603 (low power) and a 604 (better than 601, a G2), and then finally the G3 processor.

To use the Daystar card, you had a special extension that you needed to load.

I think I still have mine around. The question is, what is the version of your accelerator board?

CHristian

kc0arf 68 Posting Virtuoso Team Colleague

Hello,

Yes, it is possible to see your Ubuntu desktop via the network on your XP computer. You will require software called VNC to make the connection. You can run the VNC server on the Ubuntu box, and the VNC client on XP, and make the connection.

Note, if you have firewalls in the way, it may require modifications to them in order for the traffic to pass.

Christian

kc0arf 68 Posting Virtuoso Team Colleague

Hello,

I have moved your thread into the proper forum. You may wish to move up one level, and read the various readmes associated with viruses and spyware.

I like using adaware from Lavasoft when dealing with these problems, but there are other solutions.

Christian

kc0arf 68 Posting Virtuoso Team Colleague

Hi,

I use Emacs and gcc on my linux boxen when coding. Although, I have managed to forget how to write a makefile. I'll have to re-visit my notes on that one.

Christian

kc0arf 68 Posting Virtuoso Team Colleague

Hello,

A few things:

* You have a hardware RAID that is not managed by Windows. I think you knew this, but I am describing why Windows will not be able to manage this for those who are following along.

* Your RAID is RAID 0, meaning Stripe, meaning it is NOT a MIRROR, rather it is two physical disk drives that make a volume (C:, D: are volume names, not necessairly physical drive names). They are not mirrored. If one of the physical drives fails, the entire data set will be lost.

* You have SCSI drives, so there are not any Primary / Secondary drives. SCSI drives are determined by their SCSI ID number. You can use jumpers to identify that number, but it is critical that no drive have the same number. Numbers are counted in Binary with the jumpers.

* You should be able to install WIndows XP / 2000 on these sytems by booting with the CD-ROM. You may need to install a driver from a disk as a part of that setup. Then, when windows asks you what disk or partition to install on, choose the one that you need.

* If you want a RAID 1 (Mirror) you are going to need to break the raid 0 you have, and re-configure it.

Enjoy.

Christian

kc0arf 68 Posting Virtuoso Team Colleague

Hello,

I would do the complete format. I occasionally use quick format for floppy disks, but for hard disks, I would rather take the time to see if there are any dead sectors on the disk before we start putting file system information on it.

Take the time at setup to do it properly, before you get too involved with the rest of the OS, and then have to start hunting down bugs.

Christian

kc0arf 68 Posting Virtuoso Team Colleague

Hello,

As far as I am aware, there isn't any functional difference to the end user.

Quick Formatting simply clears the file table. Doesn't zero out any data. I am not positive if the other types of format zero out the data or not. If you had to securely delete something, you would want a program that goes out and flips the bits in the filespace to a random pattern to zap the data.

In normal file systems, when you delete a file, you merely remove it from the "table of contents" so that the OS no longer knows where it is. Thus, the space will be used some time in the future, when the OS needs it.

Now, there are Differences in how each of the systems above PARTITION a hard disk.

DOS will use FAT16, or sometimes FAT. Windows, depending on the version, may have FAT32 or NTFS. These partition schemes affect the security of the volume, along with how many files and how large the volume may be. DOS is unable to see NTFS filesystems unless special software is used. Linux has a hard time working with NTFS for writing to the volume, although there are work-arounds being developed.

Christian

kc0arf 68 Posting Virtuoso Team Colleague

Hello,

You need to first backup your data. That is of primary concern. When you are done with the re-install process, the data will be gone.

Next, boot from the Windows 2000 CD-ROM. Go through the motions of agreeing to the install process, and the license agreement.

You will be given a choice on what drive to install the OS on. You may wish to consider having a C: and a D: on the same physical disk. Why? If you place all your data on D:, it will be protected if some software problems arise on C: It will not protect you from a mechanical hard disk error, however. I always make a C: and a D:, so that I have this protection. How much space? Depends. If you have a 20 GB drive, I would give the C: 15 and the D: 5

Once the OS is installed, you will need to reboot your computer, and head to the manufacturers website, and upgrade any device drivers, such as chipset, videocards, and ethernet cards. While the present drivers on your box may work properly, there might be more efficient drivers, or bug fixes, on the websites that will make your machine work better.

After all the drivers are installed, go and get the latest Service Packs, and then download all the windows upgrades. Do the service patch to SP4 first, and then hit the update sites.

If you need more detailed assistance, let us …

kc0arf 68 Posting Virtuoso Team Colleague

Hello,

Yor computer has three hard drives. When we speak of RAID and partitions, we like to use the word VOLUMES in the server world to describe how the data is stored on your computer.

Backup your data first.

Then, you can boot from the CD-ROM, and destroy all of the volumes on your system, and then choose which one to install Windows back onto. Bear in mind that Windows likes to be installed on the Primary Master IDE drive, meaning the first IDE bus, master device. In the end, it doesn't matter which partition you install Windows to, just as long as your emergency recovery tools know which one to aim for.

Christian

kc0arf 68 Posting Virtuoso Team Colleague

Hello,

I have not seen the issues that Juno is complaining about concerning Mac performance. On the other hand, I have seen PC's and their inability to underline text properly from Microsoft Office, yet we take the same document over to Mac Office, and the problem goes away just fine.

Apple did have problems with OS X 10.0 and 10.1 --> printing was very slow, lots of things not firing properly. But it was shaking out the migration bugs, and people knew that.

The only real program that I have seen growing pains with on the Mac is Quark Express. The PC people have seen the same grief and agony -- so this is not an Apple problem, it is a Quark problem.

I like the way Macs work involving fonts and colorsync. If I have things that I need to do involving graphics, music, and DTP type things, my Mac is the first place that I will turn. The monitors are all color coordinated, the gammas adjusted, the hardware and software are all in place.

I have not tried out Tiger yet... I need a newer machine to work that OS, as my 1999 G3 is showing her age. As for running Dreamweaver MX on it, I like the way it flows, how the desktop works, and I have not had any connectivity issues with my FTP servers.

Christian

kc0arf 68 Posting Virtuoso Team Colleague

Hello,

For the others reading the thread, you may wish to tell us HOW you did it. Giving back to the forum is almost as fun as asking things. :)

Thanks,

Christian

kc0arf 68 Posting Virtuoso Team Colleague

Hello,

I would clarify. What brand / type of rice? Wild Rice? Cooked or uncooked? :)

Sorry. If I had to guess, I would say 1/2 gram.

Christian

kc0arf 68 Posting Virtuoso Team Colleague

Hello,

The quietest device I have seen is the Apple Mac Cube. No fans. The quietest device I have ever owned is my Palm.

Maybe you should look for a tower to put under your desk, or perhaps a computer to put in another room, and then use remote control utilities (winterm) to connect to it.

Christian

kc0arf 68 Posting Virtuoso Team Colleague

Hello,

Open IE, and type this in:

http://63.240.140.119

and let me know if you resolve The Milwaukee Journal.

If you do, and you see a newspaper web-page, this means that your DNS is messed up, and we have to take a look at your DNS server. If you do not see the web page, this implies other problems.

Christian

kc0arf 68 Posting Virtuoso Team Colleague

Hello,

There are tools available to the moderators and super mods to manage the postings. We have various policies on WHY a post should be managed, but to answer your question in an efficient manner, we have a little menu that we work with to do what we need to do.

Christian

kc0arf 68 Posting Virtuoso Team Colleague

Hello,

I thought I saw something about copy-inhibit settings on a server share. Part of the file attibutes that Windows uses. But that would not help having the media in front of you on your local machine.

People will find a way to copy things, even if they are not supposed to.

Christian

kc0arf 68 Posting Virtuoso Team Colleague

Hello,

Please be careful with the attitude here. Everyone on DaniWeb is a volunteer, and posts can fall off the radar screen... all depends on how people use the site. Attitude will chase people away very quickly.
***
You wrote:

i have an old Compaq 450, 450Mhz PII w/96 MB RAM & and a brand-new-in-the box 80G HDD from a couple of years ago that i would probably use as the Linux box - sound like a suitable donnor?

***

I would argue that the memory is too light, unless you go with an older distrobution, and do not plan on running X-windows on the computer itself. The newer distributions are liking 128 minimum, 256 MB recommended as requirements (I do not know each *minimum* for each distro... there is a difference between bare minimum, and what is actually functional) If the computer is going to be a headless webserver, it will do it with your 96 available... just do not plan on running X-Windows and surfing.

80 GB is more than enough. I would partition it accordingly so that your log files do not threaten your system. For most of my servers, I partition the drive into 5 or 6 partitions, one having a particular role in the server's happiness.

Let me know if you would like more info on partitioning. Feel free to nudge me via an email.

Christian

kc0arf 68 Posting Virtuoso Team Colleague

Hello Mike,

You got off on the wrong foot with your new friends here at DaniWeb. I don't think you realize that the project you are attempting to undertake and it's relevant coding.

Name calling got you nowhere, and readers now have formed a negative opinion of you. It may take some time to earn some respect. I suggest a change of attitude.

As for what you are trying to do... monitor a bunch of computer screens at a time. You might also consider seeing if your programmer can shrink the views in an option, so that you can see a number of windows at a time.

This is clearly a programming project, and not something to be done here in this forum. Feel free to discuss the modules of the program, or go through bug shooting, but this is not a sourceforge.net solution for you.

I am going to close the thread, because I see the conversation becomming argumentative, and your question has been answered.

Christian

kc0arf 68 Posting Virtuoso Team Colleague

Hello,

You are diving into system administration here. You will need to decide what flavor of Linux to work with (I am a RedHat/Fedora fan) and then decide what you are going to install, how you are going to partition, and what you want to enhance your web experience with.

Also think about backups, and consider growth. Do you have a UPS?

I think you should lay out your thoughts here, so that we can help you along with what to think about and consider.

Christian

kc0arf 68 Posting Virtuoso Team Colleague

Hi,

I use C on some of my linux computers that read data in from the parallel ports, and game ports, to signal what equipment does outside the box. It then computes an internal "answer" and logs the time in realtime. It runs in a RAM disk on the linux box, so that it only hits the hard drive when doing a write.

Pure C is wonderful for terminal projects and device drivers too. I prefer C++ language for outputing text, but to be honest, I do not understand C++ classes... therefore my execution of the language is limited.

Christian

kc0arf 68 Posting Virtuoso Team Colleague

Hello,

The driver disk thing that you describe also happens when placing Win 2000 on older SCSI drives when booting up via floppy.

Another example of getting all of the drivers together before trying to re-build a workstation or server. I am glad that you found your answers though.

Christian

kc0arf 68 Posting Virtuoso Team Colleague

Hello,

I am assuming you have on your laptop a live XP or 2000 environment.

Log in as Administrator.

Right-click on the files to edit the security. You might need to "take ownership" of the files before it allows you to change the permissions. Then, the files should be yours.

If you need detailed instructions, google on Windows Take Ownership.

Christian

kc0arf 68 Posting Virtuoso Team Colleague

Hello,

You might also try viewing with the hidden files revealed. Do not do this lightly though.

Christian

kc0arf 68 Posting Virtuoso Team Colleague

Hello,

There might be a registry edit somewhere to change the number from 10, but if you think deeply and responsibly about what you are doing, you should come to the quick solution that your design is flawed.

There is a reason XP Pro (and Mac OS 9 too!) have a max user limit of 10 --> These operating systems are designed for desktop use, and the file sharing thing is an add-on. With 39+ people wanting to share, you should also be thinking about backups, and performance issues... stuff that the XP Pro is not designed to handle. You might also want to consider more than one network card if the share is busy.

You are trying to use a Ford Pinto to tow a large motor boat.

You have two options: Linux Server (with Samba), and Microsoft's server products. Not knowing what your network design is, I cannot recommend one over the other (linux is free, backups will work with it, but will take some skill / Microsoft is expensive, but you can setup a domain and push policies and antivirus manage) If you would like to explore these topics and concerns, please post a new topic in the group.

But in all honesty, even if you want to try and take the cheap "let's hack XP to get it to work" I think you will have short term gains for a huge long-term loss.

Christian

kc0arf 68 Posting Virtuoso Team Colleague

Hello,

Excellent discussion so far. Wondering if you would expand it a bit more, and discuss sorting a linked list. Perhaps also go into double-linked lists (when I write them, I write these too, so I can easily go backwards). You guys are on such a good role..

Christian

kc0arf 68 Posting Virtuoso Team Colleague

I like $2 Bills.

Can anyone here, without looking it up on the internet, tell me what president is on them?

Christian

kc0arf 68 Posting Virtuoso Team Colleague

Hello,

I am a Firefox and Safari user. For some reason, Firefox and Fox news do not get along too well on my Macintosh OS X platform. SO I safari the news page. No big deal to me on that one.

For entering bank numbers and that, you should be checking to see that you have an encrypted connection to the website... look for a little lock symbol on the lower right hand corner of your browser. If you are not "locked" you are transmitting in the clear anyways.

And to the folks asking if there is any sure-fire completely secure system.... there is... it is a formatted computer inside of a concrete bunker with no electrical cords, and a hard drive with a nail going through it. Less sarcastically, any system that is useful to people will ahve some risk. The goal is to limit that risk.

CHristian

kc0arf 68 Posting Virtuoso Team Colleague

Hello Nizar,

Now that you have some code to work with, it might help if you return to this post here and explain what the code does. In detail. To show that you have understanding of the material.

Christian

kc0arf 68 Posting Virtuoso Team Colleague

Hi,

I am curious why you want to leave Filemaker behind... it is a great database application, and does a lot of neat things.

Christiana

kc0arf 68 Posting Virtuoso Team Colleague

Hello Acidburn,

If you are going to do that, be sure to save your work first! I have done some expirements with linux processes, and was able to crash a computer in 20 seconds or so.

Christian

kc0arf 68 Posting Virtuoso Team Colleague

Hello,

For future reference, you might want to explain more on what the problem is... there are a variety of evaluations, and you did not specify which one was the faulty one.

I have a problem with this line:

if area (area>0);

What are you trying to evaluate here? Did you realize that by placing the ; after the expression, that you don't have a "then" part?" I think you need to re-work this evaluation/control logic.

Christian

kc0arf 68 Posting Virtuoso Team Colleague

Hello,

I have seen a lot of error-checking mistakes in the computer labs. And also agree that multiple extensions .here.there are possible too. Also might want to make sure that you are not overwriting a legitimate file that may already exist.

Christian

kc0arf 68 Posting Virtuoso Team Colleague

Hi,

I wonder if you can go to your user community and just change the DOC in the README to change the environment defined by the icon. Right-click on the icon, change the properties to this x that, and then save. Yes, it is a user step. Or, maybe you alter your installer to do the configuration for you!

Christian

kc0arf 68 Posting Virtuoso Team Colleague

Hello,

I suggest that you talk to your Dean at your college then, as I am sure you have already gone to your professor and asked questions in class. If the Dean is unresponsive, then you are not getting your money's worth at your institution.

Coding C++ requires knowledge of the header files, and you did not post them. The best we could do is guess, and that is a waste of everyone's time.

Please post to us what you have come up with so far for code. If you don't have any code to speak of, then there are larger issues. People here will help with syntax and design flow, but will not complete the project for you. It would not be ethical for you to hand it in as your own work.

Christian

kc0arf 68 Posting Virtuoso Team Colleague

Hi,

I just wonder if instead of electrons and wires, we had pipes and water. Imagine a hydrolic computer. We would have leaks instead of bugs (wait, we do have memory leaks... better think of a different term... drips? But water under pressure doesn't drip... it squirts) so we have squirts instead of bugs, the power supply would be a pump, we wouldn't have to worry about floods and such.

We would not be able to use the hydrolic computer in subzero temperatures. So much for space travel.

Christian

kc0arf 68 Posting Virtuoso Team Colleague

Hi,

I wonder if one might consider Edison's vote ticker machine a computer. He did a number of things before the lightbulb.

Christian

kc0arf 68 Posting Virtuoso Team Colleague

Hello,

Well, she could be searching for another job while at work. Then again, technology cannot solve social problems.

Agree that this is not a programming issue. If she comes back and tells us what OS she is running, I can route it to the proper forum.

Christian

kc0arf 68 Posting Virtuoso Team Colleague

Hello,

Your information is very incomplete. Be sure to look up Atanatsoff at Iowa State University for his computer (Atanatsoff - Berry). Also look at the calculation engines that Blaise Pascal and others developed. And what about the development of Binary counting and addition... they did not come as easily / intuitively as counting on base 10... based on fingers and toes.

But I am also wondering if you copied this from somewhere, because your text mentions a (pictured below). Where is this picture? I wonder if you copied this off of a website somewhere.

Let's see your source.

Christian

kc0arf 68 Posting Virtuoso Team Colleague

Hello,

You posted this code in the wrong forum.... it is not a tutorial. I moved it, and hope that you receive the comments you seek.

Christian

kc0arf 68 Posting Virtuoso Team Colleague

Hello,

Really depends on what OS your end users are working with on their computers. Windows 2003 Server, for example, has a shutdown command, that you can place a timer on and, work with. I don't think it has a place for a message, as interactive logins are not common on servers, unless you are running Terminal Services / Citrix. If you are running those applications, then you can message others using management tools contained within.

Looking at the problem from a network administration viewpoint, however, I do not like the idea of someone in another room just triggering a shutdown on me. I could be on a call supporting a customer, or I could be in a meeting and unable to save my data. Then again, you may have to decide to "amputate" that one user for the benifit of the greater good. If this becomes habit, you have other problems!

There is also a way to use the shutdown command across a network

shutdown /i

from a 2003 Server will give you a dialog box where you can add computers, give the users a warning of what you are up to. You would not be able to script this.

There is also

shutdown /r /m \\computername /t seconds /f {force shutdown, no warning}

If I were you, I would consider a remote control tool, such as VNC, that you can remotely trigger the service, and then login to the computer …

kc0arf 68 Posting Virtuoso Team Colleague

Hello,

The question may be if you, or the person that setup linux on your computer, chose to install the C++ environment for you. The selections when setting up linux may be referred to as Development Libraries or Development Tools. You might need to go and add them to your linux environment.

Christian

kc0arf 68 Posting Virtuoso Team Colleague

Hello,

It sounds to me that there is a DNS problem on the computer. A quick way to check that is to go to a working computer, and ping the address of a site you are trying to reach (ping www.daniweb.com). Then, find out the IP numbers (lets say 12.22.13.12) Go back to the mac, and in the browser window, type in the IP numbers. IF the site comes up, you have a DNS problem.

Check in the Network Properties tab of your computer to ensure it is properly setup, and that the DNS servers are correctly listed.

Christian

kc0arf 68 Posting Virtuoso Team Colleague

Hello,

Under Windows 2000, there is an option to make 4 floppy disks, and start the software installation from there. You might be able to do that with XP. I am not sure; I do not have an XP disk handy here to look for it.

Also check to see if that particular disk will boot the other computer you had handy.

You are doing the right thing with the BIOS.

Christian

kc0arf 68 Posting Virtuoso Team Colleague

Hello,

I would look at a store in your area that deals with older equipment. Believe it or not, I ran across a shop here in Wisconsin that does a lot of work with Commodore 64 computers. Simple serial port testing stuff. They have a closet with about 40 of them, and if one breaks, they can go to the closet and get another.

It sounds like your software was written to do the timings based on a certain CPU/clock chip, and that the software is not very portable at all to other levels of hardware. I have seen that too with Motorola programming software that requires ancient computers because of internal timing disorders.

Time to go make an investment with older computers, and get a few of them to work, as your environment ages.

Christian

kc0arf 68 Posting Virtuoso Team Colleague

Hello,

I believe that there is a flag on the icon from within Windoze that controls window behavior. Look for something along the lines of closing window when done executing. Look in the Program tag, and uncheck "Close on exit".

Christian